Illegal Aliens DEMAND "rights" and "reforms"

[N00bs]

Posted by Bobby Eberle
May 2, 2008 at 8:36 am

I was planning to take the day off today and start my weekend a little bit early. However, I had the misfortune of reading the AP story on the May Day marches by thousands of illegal aliens who are demanding their "rights." Not only is the notion of lawbreakers taking to the streets to demand legal benefits completely outrageous, but the way the "news" story is worded is insane. When people break the law, there should be consequences. We should not close down streets in order for them to "show unity." What is going on here?!?! If you go by the AP's story, it's like there is no such thing as an "illegal" alien.

For your humor and amusement, the AP story titled "Thousands rally in May Day effort for immigration reform" is filled with plenty of quotes that show the bias and the slant that the liberal media outlets take on this issue. In the second paragraph, the story talks about marchers across the country who "demanded citizenship opportunities for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. and an end to raids and deportations." Did I read that correctly? People come into this country illegally, and then "demand" citizenship and an end to enforcing the laws that are on the books to stop illegal activity?


Here's one quote to start things off:

''We come here to fight for legalization. We're people. We have rights,'' said Eric Molina, an undocumented factory worker who immigrated to Zion, Ill., from Mexico.

Of course, the AP refers to this person as an "undocumented factory worker." Give me a break! Undocumented? You mean the employer was having a bad day and lost Mr. Molina's paperwork? The person is an ILLEGAL ALIEN, and is not only being allowed to stay in the country, but is being interviewed about it.

In addition, the whole use of the phrase "immigrated to" has been completely twisted by the liberal press. Immigrants are people who come to this country legally and work to become part of the American fabric. They are not people who sneak across the border, use fake Social Security cards, and wave signs of their home countries during marches.

Here's another quote:

''People have been stopped and deported in the last week. This is a community living in fear,'' said Veranes, a researcher for the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades. ''You never know when you're going to be stopped by Border Patrol and now the police.''

Isn't it the job of the Border Patrol and the police to enforce our laws and protect our borders? Why are people surprised when a person who comes to this country illegally is deported? The outrage! I'm sure jewelry thieves don't take to the streets and start demanding their rights. How dare the authorities take those diamond rings from them?

In addition, the AP uses more of their misleading language to account for the smaller number of protesters from the previous year. The writer states, "Some said participation likely was lower because many immigrants increasingly fear deportation." Wrong! I guarantee there is no immigrant in the United States of America who fears deportation. There may be some illegal aliens who fear deportation, but that is not the same thing, and the Associated Press should make that clear.

Illegal immigration hurts America. It is a national security concern that must be addressed from top to bottom. The borders must be protected. Immigration laws must be enforced. America welcomes more legal immigrants than any other country in the entire world. We need to continue to do it the right way!

[Amok]

I agree. There's a news story out now about a suspected illegal immigrant who raped a 10-year old girl in Idaho and she just gave birth from that incident. I mean, illegal guy or not that's still a crime worthy of death, but still. Damn.

[About2Crash]

i hate how hard it is to become an American citizen these days. One of my best friends was in the navy for 6 years and like many of em do, got married to a foreign girl (Japan) but because of some screwy law involving foreigners married to US citizens, it takes almost 2 years to become a citizen. They cannot afford for him to visit Japan so after being married for a year and a half, he hasn't seen her in 13 months because of this. No one from the government will give him any information or help on this. Now they are getting a divorce because they can't take it any longer. Fucking sucks.

[Amok]

That's weird cause I hear just the opposite from people who are still marrying Koreans like it was going out of style where I'm at. Even my Polish Philosophy instructor said it was easy. I guess it depends on the situation.

[About2Crash]

well, they told him that it takes longer for a married foreigner to become a citizen so that people don't just marry citizens just to get into the country. i guess it's working so well that it ruins marriages that don't even have that intention.

[Iced]

That was a great article. I hate how when you argue this with people, they try to act like you're the bad guy. I mean give me a break.

[Dane]

A Serbian "friend" of mine married an Australian lady early this year. I think he moved out here in late February. He has a spouse visa, the way it works here is he gets no benefits from the government because he has a sponsor (his wife's father) who signed various documents saying he will provide for him until he has a job. He can't become an actual citizen for 2 years and has to prove that their marriage is serious.

If I illegally moved into another country I would not expect any benefits at all. It is almost an absurd situation.

[About2Crash]

i work with a shitload of mexicans and i'm sure that one or two of em are illegals but i really don't care. in arizona most people honestly don't care.

[Chameleon]

As long as any country is based upon rationalism, mechanistic human rights and the universalization of monetary values as opposed to territorial or national rights, illegal immigration won't be getting any better unfortunately.
The spirit of liberalism leads to irresponsibility, encouraging people to act as short-sighted morons concerned only with their own immediate gratifications instead of what's good for the future of the country, the environment etc.
Our politicians, cogs in the big bureaucratic machine, are the exact antithesis of any noble heroes or leaders of times past...
I think I posted a good article here a while back dealing with the impact of foreign-immigration to white countries. There is the example of the cattle on the pasture. The pasture has a carrying capacity and a certain amount of natural resources... if there are too many animals on the pasture the grazing starts to turn to shit.
Every community and every nation itself are also organic entities and despite whatever feeble excuses liberal-technocrats and humanitarians try to make up, the same thing happens to a country.. it gets overgrazed and there are more pressures on its resources..
"Human rights"?? What about the 'human rights' of the people shunned as blood-thirsty Nazis for not believing in universal 'human rights'?? Statistics show crime of all types increases with such immigrants. What about the rights of those who are the victims to their crimes??
I honestly can't think how any self-respecting person would think of illegal immigration as anything but terrible....

"A good man is not the same as a good citizen." -Aristotle-

[Flandrake]

The Border Patrol and cops should have gone to the parade. If your an illegal alien it's ridiculous to demand rights. The citizenship process is imperfect and in some instances I can really see America being at fault. I guess there are just a lot of technicalities that need to be worked out.

I like the Aristotle quote.

[Eye_Am]

Good post. Chameleon, though I agree with 99% of your post, why does it have to be "White Countries?" This country is definately not white anymore. This White Country bullshit is starting to get on my nerves. Always someone else from a different country... Who don't know shit. Just want to run their mouth. While they sit in comfort in a place that has very stringent immigration policies. What is the deal now a days with people talking shit about America when they don't have a fucking clue? Besides what they see on TV or hear on the radio, or read in a newspaper or magazine. In another country. What a fucking joke. Why didn't immigration show up to this "Rally?" That's what I'd like to know.
And Crash, it isn't some "screwy" law. You know how many SUCKERS out there marry someone from a different country because they are fucking losers, lonely, depressed and just need to get laid? Only to find out the person they get through the mail is only interested in getting here and conveniently leave as soon as they get here. Disappearing to hook up with another illegal waiting for them? You are naive if you think noone in Arizona cares. We have a fucking overload of sorry ass illegals in Texas. People here care also. It's time to enforce our laws. Yet if you say this now a days, you are a bad guy. Thank god I'm a bad guy. If it was up to you piece of shit, pussy liberals, our country would be a pile of shit.
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Fuck man. I had to edit my post to add a little more. This subject pisses me off. I went and worked in Wyoming a few years ago. They had no problems with illegals at all. Were they liberal pussies? No. They just didn't have any. There was one black guy in the whole town. Ahh... Paradise.
Honky fucking redneck racist Eye_Am? Not at all. I don't have a fucking problem with people coming into our country LEGALLY. Regardless of race. Black, White, Mexican, Asian, Indian, Red, Green, Blue, blah, blah, blah... Were killed on September 11th 2001. I was at work when this happened. I got home that night and sat horrified ALL NIGHT. The only thought that went through my head was, "America has been attacked. Americans have died." Nigger, Spic, Jew, Whop, Chink, etc. never entered my mind.
What is so wrong with wanting to protect our country. I have had so many debates, both personally and on the net on this immigration subject. I am tired of hearing the term immigrant. An immigrant comes to this country legally. Do you realize how many criminals cross our borders every single day? Do you realize how many people come to our country to commit crimes and then duck back across the border? And still, after 9-11, people come in left and right. Let's pass a law to tap phones, but let every fuckwad who wants to, COME ON IN.
Here's the thing I don't hear anyone speaking of, which I am big on. And I voice it. Mexico's border? What about fucking Canada. Everyone looks south while they are pouring in over the Canadian border. Our BORDERS, repeat, BORDERS, need to be protected. Not BORDER. BORDERS.
We need to adopt European laws when it comes to illegals. Whether they be Mexican, Sudanese, Middle Eastern, Nigerian, Cuban, Columbian, French, Italian, Russian, Canadian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, or people from the fucking moon.
Tax money pays for these assholes who use our public resources such as Welfare, Free Clinics, Educational vouchers, Food Banks, Clothing Banks, church help, etc.
Fake SS numbers lead to our money being shipped out of the states. Weakening our economy even further. ALL THIS MONEY, billions each year, spent on criminals. Every single one of them. Not all illegals are criminals? They break the law every single day they are here. Why aren't our laws protected and enforced? Because of liberal pussies who "Don't mind." It's bullshit. Plain and simple.

[About2Crash]

i understand that people do that, what i don't understand is that it would have taken her a fourth of the time to become a US citizen if she wasn't married to a US citizen. I don't see the logic in that. I understand that people will marry a US citiszen to become one themselves, but I don't understand what the point of the law is when it's easier to become one without having to get married in the first place.

Am I naive about immigration in AZ? Probably. But when I say that I haven't heard a single person in AZ complain about it besides Sheriff Joe and his illegally run posses, I am telling the truth.

[Eye_Am]

Perhaps. But if you get in a discussion, a real discussion with people from your state, from different backgrounds, economics, ethnics and whatnot, you may hear a different tune. People are slowly becoming dissallusioned with our laws. It is inconceivable to me why our laws aren't being enforced. It simply blows my mind. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California are becoming inuindated with illegals. When will it stop?

[About2Crash]

Probably when the people that are protecting them stop. I do have to say that the lunacy some of them have is next to none. If you are an illegal immigrant, then protesting is the dumbest shit you could possibly do. Stay low, work your shitty job that no one else wants to do, and that's that. I do have respect for the law and do think that if you are an illegal, yeah, you shouldn't be here. But there are so many here and they are such a big part of this area's economy that simply deporting them would just create a big gap of work that needs to be filled. What we need is another way to fix the problem. The problem is, I nor does anyone else seem to have a solution.

The big issue is immigrants skipping out on medical bills after emergency room visits therefore forcing some of them to close down. But that turns into a health care system which is another can of worms.

[Chameleon]

Originally Posted by Eye_Am

Good post. Chameleon, though I agree with 99% of your post, why does it have to be "White Countries?" This country is definately not white anymore. This White Country bullshit is starting to get on my nerves. Always someone else from a different country... Who don't know shit. Just want to run their mouth. While they sit in comfort in a place that has very stringent immigration policies. What is the deal now a days with people talking shit about America when they don't have a fucking clue? Besides what they see on TV or hear on the radio, or read in a newspaper or magazine. In another country. What a fucking joke. Why didn't immigration show up to this "Rally?" That's what I'd like to know.
And Crash, it isn't some "screwy" law. You know how many SUCKERS out there marry someone from a different country because they are fucking losers, lonely, depressed and just need to get laid? Only to find out the person they get through the mail is only interested in getting here and conveniently leave as soon as they get here. Disappearing to hook up with another illegal waiting for them? You are naive if you think noone in Arizona cares. We have a fucking overload of sorry ass illegals in Texas. People here care also. It's time to enforce our laws. Yet if you say this now a days, you are a bad guy. Thank god I'm a bad guy. If it was up to you piece of shit, pussy liberals, our country would be a pile of shit.
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Fuck man. I had to edit my post to add a little more. This subject pisses me off. I went and worked in Wyoming a few years ago. They had no problems with illegals at all. Were they liberal pussies? No. They just didn't have any. There was one black guy in the whole town. Ahh... Paradise.
Honky fucking redneck racist Eye_Am? Not at all. I don't have a fucking problem with people coming into our country LEGALLY. Regardless of race. Black, White, Mexican, Asian, Indian, Red, Green, Blue, blah, blah, blah... Were killed on September 11th 2001. I was at work when this happened. I got home that night and sat horrified ALL NIGHT. The only thought that went through my head was, "America has been attacked. Americans have died." Nigger, Spic, Jew, Whop, Chink, etc. never entered my mind.
What is so wrong with wanting to protect our country. I have had so many debates, both personally and on the net on this immigration subject. I am tired of hearing the term immigrant. An immigrant comes to this country legally. Do you realize how many criminals cross our borders every single day? Do you realize how many people come to our country to commit crimes and then duck back across the border? And still, after 9-11, people come in left and right. Let's pass a law to tap phones, but let every fuckwad who wants to, COME ON IN.
Here's the thing I don't hear anyone speaking of, which I am big on. And I voice it. Mexico's border? What about fucking Canada. Everyone looks south while they are pouring in over the Canadian border. Our BORDERS, repeat, BORDERS, need to be protected. Not BORDER. BORDERS.
We need to adopt European laws when it comes to illegals. Whether they be Mexican, Sudanese, Middle Eastern, Nigerian, Cuban, Columbian, French, Italian, Russian, Canadian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, or people from the fucking moon.
Tax money pays for these assholes who use our public resources such as Welfare, Free Clinics, Educational vouchers, Food Banks, Clothing Banks, church help, etc.
Fake SS numbers lead to our money being shipped out of the states. Weakening our economy even further. ALL THIS MONEY, billions each year, spent on criminals. Every single one of them. Not all illegals are criminals? They break the law every single day they are here. Why aren't our laws protected and enforced? Because of liberal pussies who "Don't mind." It's bullshit. Plain and simple.

Liberalism at its core is based on the monolinear idea of progress, anthropocentrism, human-universalism and individual rights within the free market. Philosophically it's associated with the Enlightenment and presupposes that all that matters in the world can be understood through mechanistic laws accessible purely to reason. In addition to detaching object from subject and mind from matter (Cartesian dualism) each individual is completely removed from the context that they exist within the world. With everyone as merely a single quantitative individual and therefore equal and interchangable regardless of race, cultural ties, IQ etc. the rules of the market society as the regulator of social relations are set.
Ultimately liberalism acted as a tool of the lowly mercantile class to replace European ethnic-cultural traditions and the blood-rooted aristocracy with an arena where as many people as possible could be consumers and true political decisions cease to exist...

If you think I am badmouthing 'America' or all Americans you aren't reading my posts properly, what I will badmouth is globalization, humanism, egalitarianism, individual-liberal rights, liberal-democracy and Zionist imperialism. Canada (multicultural hell where promoting racialism = intolernace, slander and threats) is a liberal-democratic country as is just about every other country with a significant amount of whites however at the time being America is the main global superpower and this is where the "New World Order" has realized it's goal most effectively....
No offense Eye_Am but judging by your posts thus far you seem like a liberal (perhaps in an Adam Smith type sense?)
Have you ever looked up the original definition of liberal ideology?
It has many variations and has always been quite broad (one of it's main strengths)
Liberal-capitalists shit where they eat in terms of crying about their own immigration issues. There's the cause and effect...

People who deny that there are differences in races that bring about different characteristics, skills, aptitudes and deficits in different areas are simply kidding themselves.
There is a broad diversity of ethnic and cultural traditions because over time different people have adapted differently to different environments in complimentary accordance with genetic makeup.
Different races and cultures have created different paths and each man has the choice of authentically realizing his racially, culturally and historically predestined possibilities (which is not a subjective 'lifestyle' choice but something he happens to be born into) or not realizing such and falling into modern discourse. Each organic group is able to express itself to its fullest and highest capacity when they follow form congruent to the myth from which they come.
To linearize and attempt to pretend differences don't exist is to either create constant disappointments and inequalities or to create artificial equality at the expense of true liberty.
However most importantly it is for the individual to replace the primordial roots of tradition with the reign of quantity.

However you're right America is currently a soulless liberal-technocratic hell and even if it were made up of all white people it would still be far from a great nation if such people just maintained the same modern values. North America will never be 100% populated with people of European heritage but I don't think it's unlikely that sometime in the future we will be able to gain our own chunk of land and national self-determination.
Blind acceptance of human-universalism because it's the fad of our age pisses me off...
I'm actually kind of surprised to hear you like 99% of my last post but thanks anyway...

[Eye_Am]

Originally Posted by About2Crash

Probably when the people that are protecting them stop. I do have to say that the lunacy some of them have is next to none. If you are an illegal immigrant, then protesting is the dumbest shit you could possibly do. Stay low, work your shitty job that no one else wants to do, and that's that. I do have respect for the law and do think that if you are an illegal, yeah, you shouldn't be here. But there are so many here and they are such a big part of this area's economy that simply deporting them would just create a big gap of work that needs to be filled. What we need is another way to fix the problem. The problem is, I nor does anyone else seem to have a solution.

The big issue is immigrants skipping out on medical bills after emergency room visits therefore forcing some of them to close down. But that turns into a health care system which is another can of worms.

Something I totally agree with you about. I think one solution would be to take all these lazy asses on welfare and make them work. If they won't work, yank the welfare from them. That would be one way to fill a lot of empty jobs. You hit the nail on the head with the health care system. One more reason our insurance rates are jacked up!
As hardcore as I am, I actually disagree with building a wall or fence, which is allready being done. It's a waste of our taxpayers money. In 5 years when it is falling apart, if that long, people will still be digging under it or scaling it. I don't think it will make much of a difference. I think our real response lies in fines, penalties and criminal prosecution for those that hire them. If the jobs go away, they go away. It is a complex problem for sure.
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Originally Posted by Chameleon

Liberalism at its core is based on the monolinear idea of progress, anthropocentrism, human-universalism and individual rights within the free market. Philosophically it's associated with the Enlightenment and presupposes that all that matters in the world can be understood through mechanistic laws accessible purely to reason. In addition to detaching object from subject and mind from matter (Cartesian dualism) each individual is completely removed from the context that they exist within the world. With everyone as merely a single quantitative individual and therefore equal and interchangable regardless of race, cultural ties, IQ etc. the rules of the market society as the regulator of social relations are set.
Ultimately liberalism acted as a tool of the lowly mercantile class to replace European ethnic-cultural traditions and the blood-rooted aristocracy with an arena where as many people as possible could be consumers and true political decisions cease to exist...

If you think I am badmouthing 'America' or all Americans you aren't reading my posts properly, what I will badmouth is globalization, humanism, egalitarianism, individual-liberal rights, liberal-democracy and Zionist imperialism. Canada (multicultural hell where promoting racialism = intolernace, slander and threats) is a liberal-democratic country as is just about every other country with a significant amount of whites however at the time being America is the main global superpower and this is where the "New World Order" has realized it's goal most effectively....
No offense Eye_Am but judging by your posts thus far you seem like a liberal (perhaps in an Adam Smith type sense?)
Have you ever looked up the original definition of liberal ideology?
It has many variations and has always been quite broad (one of it's main strengths)
Liberal-capitalists shit where they eat in terms of crying about their own immigration issues. There's the cause and effect...

People who deny that there are differences in races that bring about different characteristics, skills, aptitudes and deficits in different areas are simply kidding themselves.
There is a broad diversity of ethnic and cultural traditions because over time different people have adapted differently to different environments in complimentary accordance with genetic makeup.
Different races and cultures have created different paths and each man has the choice of authentically realizing his racially, culturally and historically predestined possibilities (which is not a subjective 'lifestyle' choice but something he happens to be born into) or not realizing such and falling into modern discourse. Each organic group is able to express itself to its fullest and highest capacity when they follow form congruent to the myth from which they come.
To linearize and attempt to pretend differences don't exist is to either create constant disappointments and inequalities or to create artificial equality at the expense of true liberty.
However most importantly it is for the individual to replace the primordial roots of tradition with the reign of quantity.

However you're right America is currently a soulless liberal-technocratic hell and even if it were made up of all white people it would still be far from a great nation if such people just maintained the same modern values. North America will never be 100% populated with people of European heritage but I don't think it's unlikely that sometime in the future we will be able to gain our own chunk of land and national self-determination.
Blind acceptance of human-universalism because it's the fad of our age pisses me off...
I'm actually kind of surprised to hear you like 99% of my last post but thanks anyway...

That's funny. You are reading MY posts wrong. I am definately not a liberal. I am more conservative, leaning towards the right. I try not to vote party lines, but I have voted Republican for years now and will again this election.
"America is currently a soulless liberal-technocratic hell
." Now that's a statement I like. Though I would change is, to becoming. I don't think you are necessarily bad mouthing Americans. I see it more as pointing out the inherent flaws that have been adopted since the 60's. I agree for the most part. The "New World Order," and "Human Universalism," truly are bullshit. That is why the secular progressive movement, that is hidden in the background, is really scary. The people that push it are plain fucked. Yet, most people don't pay attention or see what is coming. Hence the cause and effect. It's accidental and unknowingly accepted, until too late.

[Dane]

I believe it started long before the 60's. LONG before the 60's. Also, I think illegal immigration and the problems it causes are symptoms of a larger problem (and I am not completely sure it is a problem that can be 'solved').

[Hamish]

Fuck em... round them up and send them all back where they came from or kill em.

I'm jk, i just like hearing people say shit like that when a man of middle eastern appearance does something stupid and it gets on the news.

[Dane]

Haha yeah. My brother is like that. And my friend Gary, the half Philipino who is the most racist person I have ever met.

[Eye_Am]

Originally Posted by Dane

I believe it started long before the 60's. LONG before the 60's. Also, I think illegal immigration and the problems it causes are symptoms of a larger problem (and I am not completely sure it is a problem that can be 'solved').

Oh, I wasn't speaking of immigration. I was speaking of the liberal, pussy ass hippies who have fucked America with their bullshit that is starting to be more and more accepted.